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TskTsk
Posted: May 13, 2004 12:58 am


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I didn't realize that there is a "firm standard" for some things I ran across on the test. I want to do well if I test with a firm.

I only tested with one agency so far. I came across a red herring that I was not sure about. I created the text box and inverted the text..is there a certain procedure you should follow when doing this?

If I wanted to insert text outside of the footer should I use a paragraph indent with a negative #?

I appreciate any and all help you can give me in my getting started.

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Posted: May 13, 2004 02:52 am


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the red text on the left side of a prospectus is usually done as you say, creating a text box, inserting the text in text box in red (the text has to be formated sideways point up). I think there may have been some kind of stupid sheat from Tiger on how to do this, but I can't remember.

as far as I know, the only place that has formating a propsectus as a test for law firm work is Tiger and I think the client is Davis Polk. Davis Polk is the only law firm I know of that has formating a ***king prospectus as a test.

Davis Polk is also the only law firm I know of with a Graphics Center. So, it is probably these GRAPHICS people who are insisting on this stuff that no other law firm in the city would allow..

When I took Tiger's test they insisted that the only acceptable way to create cascading text was to insert a fahking right triangle on the left of the text and a left triangle on the right side of the text. If you did this at any other law firm anywhere else in NYC, you would be kicked out and never allowed back ever.

So, with respect to your question on formating text, if it was Tiger and Davis Polk THEIR way may be inserting a fahking graphic in the text to achieve the indentation.


In the old days almost no one allowed the inserting of embedded objects becasuse everyone knew that it would crash Word and Windows. But now there are firms that insist that that is the only right way to do things. I was taking a test at Morgan Stanley and the instructions said to modify an Excel Chart that had been embedded as an object. When I did click on the object, the system crashed. The instructor then told everyone else that they should have Excel already open to edit an object.

With the Clients, you just have to accept their aholiness because it is their money. But when a temp agency has some ahole test it is probably to weed out certain people. Any temp agency sending temps to Davis Polk is probably training them on how to past the test, and I would seriously doubt that any of them (other than Tiger) are expecting temps off the street to know how Davis Polk wants things done.


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TskTsk
Posted: May 13, 2004 01:58 pm


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I was going to test with Tiger as well.

One agency told me to create a cascading paragraph was to use an autoshape..is there another way? I never worked on documents so this is all very new to me.

I am set to test with Tiger..any input you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted: May 13, 2004 06:02 pm


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"autoshape" is the triangle graphic that I mentioned before.

You insert an autoshape graphic of a triangle sloping down to the right on the left side of the text; then you insert a autoshape triangle sloping down to the left on the right side of the text. This would make the text of the paragraph cascade down like an inverted pyramid.

It is all so much bullsheat. No other law firm in the world would do this.

And the first person to test at Davis Polks runs back to his temp agency and recreates the entire test for his temp agency. So every temp to take the test from that agency will know exactly how to do it.

It is one thing for a Client to have such an ahole test and expect that people would khow how they wanted stuff done, but it is quite another for a temp agency to have such a test. Tiger is not what it once was (go test with Asset or Jovan or Delta or Vista Legal after leaving Tiger). Take the test at Tiger, you never know, but I am relatively sure there are other agencies sending temps to Davis Polk.

For any temp agency to expect people off the street to know how Davis Polk (alone) wants something done is just silly.

what other temp agency has formating a prospectus as a test? what other temp agency told you to use autoshapes for cascading text? Do you know if that agency's client is also Davis Polk?


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TskTsk
Posted: May 13, 2004 07:30 pm


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A while back I was interviewing as a "Trainer" before I realized I didn't have the proper word processing skills after taking a test at Latham & Watkins..this is the test that was to reformat a prospectus and included the cascading paragraph. I totally messed up that test and I asked Tiger how to do it and she told me to use the autoshape, and rotate it, and then hide the lines. I was supposed to be registered with Tiger but the person I was dealing with left and they didn't tell me where she went or why. I recently contacted them again and they told me that I need to test with them. I think after what you told me I may be just wasting my time with Tiger.

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Posted: May 13, 2004 07:50 pm


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P.S. They sent me on an interview without having me take the test ..so maybe that's why she was fired. Who knows? I have since learned what is the "norm".
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Posted: May 13, 2004 09:31 pm


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Jovan (Donna) and Priorty (Jackie), I believe, are both at Latham.

I have worked at Lathm for years (literally, about 4 years) on and off. And while I haven't been there in the last month, I didn't see anyone there putting graphics in word documents. And the secretaries I know who work at Latham would freak out of they saw fahking triangle autoshapes in a fhaking word document.

Davis Polk I can see doing this kind of stupid sheat, but not Latham, not unless there have been some radical changes at Latham since I was there last.

The simply way to do cascading test is with a manual line break, this is something that everyone (i.e. all the secretaries and lawyers) would understand and make edits to. The flow of text would not be automatic like with the shapes but anyone would be able to edit the document.

But again, if the Client says do it with autoshapes then do it that way. But if this is coming from Tiger, that's a different story.

The person at Tiger who told me this has to be done this way, then tried to show me how to do it, but she couldn't. She finally gave up and just said it had to be done with autoshpes but SHE couldn't do it. What a fahking joke, to expect people off the street to know some particular client's anal rules is just fahking uncalled for.

Tiger has been around a long time and back in the day Tiger WAS the most OPEN of the little CARTEL of temp agencies that were sending temps to high end IBanks and Law Firms. But the person I saw last at Tiger testing temps wasn't doing Tiger any favors. (And that receptions at Tiger was x-ed out of Proskauer Rose's WP Center as a receptionist when Pitney Bowes took over Proskauer's Center, her attitude didn't do her any good at Proskauer Rose. I don't think it ever occurred to her that Proskauer didn't like her)


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TskTsk
Posted: May 13, 2004 09:39 pm


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Then I may have the firms mixed up..I was sure that it was Latham.

I used the Autoshape.

If you use a manual line break..where does it break? What are the indents..as I said that this is all new to me.
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Posted: May 13, 2004 10:00 pm


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as I said, if some client demands this then you have to do it that way.

but no client has ever told me to use autoshapes, the only place I've heard this is from Tiger. And I've worked at Davis Polk.


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TskTsk
Posted: May 13, 2004 11:15 pm


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Just for future reference ..exactly how is it created? This is new to me.
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Posted: May 14, 2004 02:30 am


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see above

it is the same idea of text flowing through, around or off of a frame.

only instead of text flowing off of a frame it is flowing off of the a graphic the triangles.


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TskTsk
Posted: May 14, 2004 03:32 am


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I'm sorry I should have been clearer..I meant if you don't use autoshapes and you use manual line breaking..then how is it done? I just would like to know for future reference.

I'm sorry for all of the questions ..you have been very helpful. smile.gif
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Posted: May 14, 2004 03:43 am


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once you have the first sentence that is page wide (with a manual line break at the end), you then put manual line breaks at the end of the next lines to make them progressively shorter than the first line to make the cascading/inverted pyramid effect.

again, if there is some client requiring otherwise you would do it their way. But, there are not many law firms that I know of that would be putting autoshapes into paragrahs.


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TskTsk
Posted: May 14, 2004 02:33 pm


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When I do it that way it only slopes on the right..how do you get the left to slope as well?

Example:

text text text text text text text text text
text text text text text text text text (manual line break)
text text text text text text text (manual line break)
text text text text text text (manual line break)
text text text text text (manual line break)
text text text text (manual line break)
text text text (manual line break)
text text (manual line break)
text
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JLow
Posted: May 14, 2004 03:29 pm


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if the text is centered it should work

this text in a prospectus is always centered, I think
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